The emails also reveal an unexpectedly close rapport between Epstein and Kathryn Ruemmler, who served as White House counsel under President Barack Obama. Their exchanges from 2016 show they regularly discussed politics and personal concerns, reflecting how deeply Epstein was connected within elite political circles. In one message, Ruemmler described a mysterious figure — presumably someone in their shared orbit — as “very close to being a psychopath” with “no conscience,” suggesting Epstein had voiced disturbing information to her.
A widely circulated message shows Epstein telling Ruemmler, “You need to talk to boss,” prompting speculation about whether he was referring to Obama, who was her employer at the time. The nature of the conversation remains unclear, though the emails imply Epstein was attempting to influence or alert her to something significant. Additional documents show that Ruemmler was once listed as a backup executor to Epstein’s estate, underscoring her unexpected proximity to him.
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